Kabir Helminski discusses the Sufi tradition and its relation to Islam. He offers insight into the role of doctrine in Sufism as a useful means of finding coherence among Muslims of different traditions. For Helminski, contemplative practice stills the mind and move us to a transformative perception of divine reality. Kabir Helminski is a founder and director of the Threshold Society. He has been working within the Mevlevi tradition of Sufism for about thirty years and is the author and translator of several books of Sufi poetry. He talks with Rob Gabriel, Chief Operating Officer of the Garrison Institute.